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Cryolist Policy -- looking for jobs

Chris Marsh
Dear Cryolist members,

You'll recall that we asked for discussion as to if  "looking for job" postings should be allowed to Cryolist

The response was an overwhelming no.

Therefore, the policy going forward is that looking for job postings will be removed. Job adverts -- looking for candidates -- are still actively encouraged.

We encourage members who are looking for jobs to browse the list archive (http://cryolist.org/archives/) or to contact individuals directly.

Also, there has been significant feedback regarding the volume of conference postings. It is still being decided how this should be approached.

Cheers
Chris


Chris Marsh
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Re: Cryolist Policy -- looking for jobs

matt_nolan_uaf-2
Hi Chris.  While I have benefited from moderators pointing out that one of my links are broken or that my spulling secks before posting something, once you go down the censorship road (not just filtering spam or abuse or screwups but filtering real people with a need to post that seems real to them), it seems to me the moderators are starting down a slippery slope -- we already have ArcticInfo for those who seek occasional, highly filtered, consolidated, bland, one-way messages, do we really need to duplicate that?   Personally I'd rather eliminate the seasonal flurry of EGU/AGU meeting session announcements than the occasional job seekers, but I suspect there are people that would just as soon eliminate my posts. So my two cents is to allow everything, but sort it more efficiently -- either a mandatory prefix in subject lines ([cryolist-jobs], [cryolist-meetings], etc) so we can easily filter on our end or switch to a forum format where there are sections for jobs, meetings, scientific discussions, funding discussions, data sharing, etc. so we can subscribe to just the parts we want or get a daily digest, thus eliminating the need for posts about what this list should or shouldnt allow and who gets to decide...  -Matt
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 7:13 AM
Subject: [CRYOLIST] Cryolist Policy -- looking for jobs

Dear Cryolist members,

You'll recall that we asked for discussion as to if  "looking for job" postings should be allowed to Cryolist

The response was an overwhelming no.

Therefore, the policy going forward is that looking for job postings will be removed. Job adverts -- looking for candidates -- are still actively encouraged.

We encourage members who are looking for jobs to browse the list archive (http://cryolist.org/archives/) or to contact individuals directly.

Also, there has been significant feedback regarding the volume of conference postings. It is still being decided how this should be approached.

Cheers
Chris


Chris Marsh
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Re: Cryolist Policy -- looking for jobs

Roger Braithwaite

We can always delete anything we are not interested in. However, I have always felt that these "looking for jobs" messages show some degree of laziness. If you do 1-2 hours research on the Internet, you can easily come up with a short list of people who might be in the position to offer jobs, internships, spare seats etc. For example, 20 years ago it would have been obvious that I was jetting around in Greenland, and I was able to take several people to Greenland, resulting in some publications. It is also equally obvious that I am not jetting around now so please don't bother to ask.

If you are looking for a job, internship, sponsorship or a simple lift somewhere, it is worth doing a bit of reseach so you can send off a message specifically targetted at somebody who might be able to help you. That is what I did in 1968 before we had the Internet and when an airmail stamp was a major item in a student's weekly budget. Good luck everybody!

Roger Braithwaite


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From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] on behalf of Matt Nolan [[hidden email]]
Sent: 01 February 2012 18:22
To: Chris Marsh
Cc: cryolist
Subject: Re: [CRYOLIST] Cryolist Policy -- looking for jobs

Hi Chris.  While I have benefited from moderators pointing out that one of my links are broken or that my spulling secks before posting something, once you go down the censorship road (not just filtering spam or abuse or screwups but filtering real people with a need to post that seems real to them), it seems to me the moderators are starting down a slippery slope -- we already have ArcticInfo for those who seek occasional, highly filtered, consolidated, bland, one-way messages, do we really need to duplicate that?   Personally I'd rather eliminate the seasonal flurry of EGU/AGU meeting session announcements than the occasional job seekers, but I suspect there are people that would just as soon eliminate my posts. So my two cents is to allow everything, but sort it more efficiently -- either a mandatory prefix in subject lines ([cryolist-jobs], [cryolist-meetings], etc) so we can easily filter on our end or switch to a forum format where there are sections for jobs, meetings, scientific discussions, funding discussions, data sharing, etc. so we can subscribe to just the parts we want or get a daily digest, thus eliminating the need for posts about what this list should or shouldnt allow and who gets to decide...  -Matt
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 7:13 AM
Subject: [CRYOLIST] Cryolist Policy -- looking for jobs

Dear Cryolist members,

You'll recall that we asked for discussion as to if  "looking for job" postings should be allowed to Cryolist

The response was an overwhelming no.

Therefore, the policy going forward is that looking for job postings will be removed. Job adverts -- looking for candidates -- are still actively encouraged.

We encourage members who are looking for jobs to browse the list archive (http://cryolist.org/archives/) or to contact individuals directly.

Also, there has been significant feedback regarding the volume of conference postings. It is still being decided how this should be approached.

Cheers
Chris


Chris Marsh
MSc Candidate
chrismarsh.ca

13 Kirk Hall
University of Saskatchewan


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